A ketogenic diet promotes tumour growth in the small intestine in susceptible mice. In people, diet advice might need to be tailored to individual cancer risks.

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    2 days ago

    Judging from the comments, people are committed to their atkins thing.
    I don’t expect this to be well received.

    Fiber. You need it. This ‘ketogenic’ thing is suicide.

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      Atkins explicitly allows fiber and explicitly states fiber carbs don’t count when watching carbs. You should know about things you critique before you critique them.

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        ‘Atkins’ has been thoroughly debunked. People should know better by now.
        I was there for the start of that fad, and unfortunately for me, bought the bullshit.

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          Just a personal anecdote, but an Atkins brand meal replacement shake I used to consume had many times the listed B2 levels, because my pee turned radioactive yellow. It said 25%RDI, but ain’t no way, it was more like 250% or more. I’ve never had that happen before, even when taking B2 supplements. It made me cautious what else is incorrect on the nutrition label and distrust the brand. Plus it’s probably not great for your kidneys long term.

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      yeah after water and calories its sorta a toss up between fiber and vitamin C but you only need a bit of vitamin C. you need lots of fiber just like water and calories.

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          I mean a paper that is not an epidemiological one (as they have no ability to show cause and effect) that shows you die without fibre after however long without it

          Like life without vitamin C or its precursor goes on for a couple of months then symptoms get serious and you die of scurvy

          What’s the time limit on fibre?

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            Well, for me it was about 42 years, till I was bleeding out my ass all the time.
            You know, some of us are hard to convince.
            I’m cured, but I’ll require regular colonoscopies for the rest of my life.

            I’ll see you at the butt doctor when it hits you too. Or … you could act sensibly. Now.

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              If we’re doing n=1 anecdotes, removing fibre from my diet cured my constipation.

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                    No. Xep is in a different timezone than me and doesn’t have as good English. All my accounts are named psud or pseudopsud. I have three accounts as I have had bad luck with instances.

                    I try not to post or comment under my other logins - when Aussie.zone is down I just read, otherwise I’d get replies I wouldn’t see for months

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              That’s pretty funny, I know it’s not true though as a no fibre diet for that long has to be very high fat and I’ve read a lot about low fibre high fat diets that I know that make shitting easy

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                Shitting was not a problem. Shitting blood was the issue.
                Your gut bugs need fiber to eat. Or they will eventually eat you.
                You cannot maintain a healthy microbiome without fiber.
                The older you get, the less your guts can tolerate the type of self-abuse you are pushing here.
                Additionally, fiber consumption has a dramatic impact on cholesterol processing. That’s actually what finally brought me to the table for a balanced meal.

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                  Ah, your story was trying to build up to “fibre is vital” the only studies of fibre on constipation and straining on the toilet showed fibre increased both, reducing fibre improved both, eliminating fibre completely fixed both

                  The comparison that one made was “adding fibre to improve constipation is like adding cars to improve traffic”

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                    Ya, that’s never been a problem for me. I think the ‘bad thing’ was dental infections and a bunch of antibiotics. That threw my shitter out of kilter and made me understand you have to manage your gut like a garden. When you see that bright red blood in the bowl, you realize change is in order and start listening to doctors instead of diet fads and ‘your own research’.