A ketogenic diet promotes tumour growth in the small intestine in susceptible mice. In people, diet advice might need to be tailored to individual cancer risks.

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    3 days ago

    Ok so I’m not a mouse, I’m not from a line deliberately bred for cancer, and my diet has none of those things; my 80% energy from fat is from beef fat. I think I’m not going to worry about this

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      3 days ago

      also 50g of fibre in the feed diet, maybe the tumors are responding to fibre?

      i’m just skimming right now, but the papers studies each used 2-4 mice, and are not powered at all. it’s hard to say even if you WERE a PPAR-CPT1A engineered mouse that these results are relevant… they knocked out ketogenesis in a few of the mice and still saw tumor growth… let’s not forget the genetic engineering here not only induces tumors, but also suppresses bhb production… so maybe these tumors respond well to fatty acids, but would be suppressed by healthy bhb production and ketone metabolism… this paper doesn’t know. it’s possible the net effect of a healthy ketogenic metabolism would be enough in non-genetically engineered mice to reduce the tumors… they didn’t test that.

      plus… they didn’t measure all cause mortality! so we just know tumor growth for a window… why not actually get all cause mortality data? nothing ruins short term results like long term data.

      the fact we have human interventional studies directly linking tumor growth to glucose intake, and in this mice study we see the opposite only in their genetically engineered tumors… i’m not sure we can make any meaningful conclusions from that.

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        3 days ago

        They conclude the cancers are triggered by the fats not ketones based on the study title (I haven’t had time to read the study yet)

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          the study isn’t open access, I’m pretty sure nobody has read the study including the nature “article” author.

          it’s pretty bad form, and intellectually dishonest, to share a paywalled article on a paywalled paper, just because you like the title… ensuring nobody will read what is actually said is pretty anti-science.