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How about they stop building the torment nexus?
buttlerian jihad?
All of these articles are for ai companies. Ooh, look at our scary powerful ai’s. We’re defenitly super close to agi. Please giv e us more money.
You really don’t think there could be a possibility of a horrific consequence if AI is given the responsibility of managing real world systems?
Of course that’s a possibility, but AI does not have responsibility. The question is who does?
Do I blame a train for hitting someone who steps onto railroad tracks when there’s a train approaching? It’s a machine. It doesn’t have responsibilities or opinions or agency. It does what it has been built to do, in exactly the manner that anyone with sufficient understanding of its operating principles could tell you, because that’s what machines do. The person or persons interacting with the machine is not absolved of any responsibility by how complex or inscrutable the machine is. It’s still a machine.
The question is, who is responsible for the person stepping onto the railroad tracks when there was a train approaching? Was the person trying to end their own life? Maybe it’s their responsibility. Or maybe the crossing signals failed and told them it was safe, and they did not realize a train was approaching. Maybe there were too many trees or signs or construction that was blocking their view. Is the train company responsible for that? Maybe. Did the brakes fail due to poor inspections or substandard work during the last maintenance? Maybe. Did the train have plenty of time to stop and the engineer was not paying attention? Maybe. These are all people, and groups of people, who may have responsibility. The only thing that’s certain is: The train doesn’t.
We, as a society, need to decide who is responsible for the possibility of a horrific consequence arising from the use of these sort of machines. Is it the person using the machine? The people who made the machine in the first place? The people who put it in a place where this person could easily use it? By assigning responsibility, ideally in advance of any horrific consequences, that provides a clear incentive for the people we deem responsible to actually start acting responsible and take the appropriate measures to avoid such horrific consequences that they might be held responsible for.
The problem is: people have been shirking responsibility and blaming “the computer” for decisions since there have been decisions coming out of computers. This is not a unique story.
Chernobyl blew up because they were dicking around with an unsafe design.
This analogue is very apt.
Well that sounds pretty horrible and I would to avoid it…
But if thats all it costs, then…
To be clear, you think its a fair trade for thousands of people to die so that other people stop using a computer program you dislike. Am I getting that right?
We’re burning the earth with our power consumption and polluting every online database or repository with hallucinations all for pictures of political figures doing ballet, and it is eventually going to cause a catastrophe, so yes, sooner would be better.
Ok, just wanted to check I wasnt misunderstanding. Personally I’d rather just reduce gasolene consumption by 0.001% rather than kill off thousands to stop the energy use of LLMs, but thats just my preference.
If you have a plan to do that then that’s great but this isn’t a situation where anybody is willing to make trades of one or the other.
AI doesn’t have a single profitable use case given it generates plagiarism, hallucinations, and liabilities, so there’s no reason to keep it.
There are plenty of plans already in place. EVs are beating ICE cars, mass transit is coming back into fashion in a lot of places, hell you could even just increase taxes on it to drive down consumption.
All are things I’d suggest would be better than your sister/father/partner being killed in order to sour people on the idea of using LLMs.
None of that has anything to do with AI consuming upwards of 30% of all power in some US States. None of that has anything to do with AI in 2025 being run on 35% renewable electricity and 50% or more fossil fuels which could have been used by citizens and consumers at lower prices instead.
Even if Elon Musk weren’t running illegal Natural Gas generators in Texas to power Grok, even if AI suddenly became 100% solar powered today in some fantasy fiction, it is still producing nothing of value but creating serious risks and we should still shut it down.
Let me try to creat a visual for you:
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Human-Use Power[//////////] = [///////] + [///]
All power generated = Human-Use + AIAnd in 4 years:
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You see that? You see how its using more? We’re already facing cataclysmic changes in weather patterns risking countless habitats including human ones, and we’re going to practically double power consumption so Trump can make a short video of his jet shitting on protestors.
Sure, fine. That’s a reasonable stance to take.
Saying its worth the deaths of thousands of people to knock maybe one part in a thousand of human carbon emissions is not.
Let me give you some scale. In 2024 estimated Power usage on AI was 415TWh In the same year total energy usage was around 592 Exajoules or around 164,444 TWhr.
Or to give you a visual:
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The "o"s are AI usage the +s are other energy usages, the +s are significantly more polluting as about 2/3rds of them are burning fossil fuels directly for heating and transport.
This is propaganda. Its the left’s version of “roving caravans of gang members coming into the country”
oh no the left is coming to make the world a better place
Are they?
Can you lay out for me what they are doing, and who does it benefit?
Because AI is here. It’s like saying you’re going to stop oil production in Texas. It looks like the left is being used to stall progress in an emerging competitive tech industry that will shape the next century of power. Looks like a primary generator is a website that is heavily tied to Chinese propaganda.
It sounds like you don’t know what the left is, you are clearly from the USA, the democrats are right wing, marketed as left, you live in a duopoly con.
“Chinese propaganda” …no wonder the USA is such a toilet bowl, you zombies so eagerly buy into your own racist propaganda.
You mistranslated what I wrote.
