We’re still using COBOL for stuff like Visa and Mastercard for almost every contactless payment, saying ‘just port it’ is not how it works.
That’s a weird comparison for multiple reasons. For all the complexity of X, it sure isn’t turing complete. The examples you listed for the importance of X basically boiled down to digital signage, in which case it wouldn’t be the end of the world to “just port it”. It sure as shit ain’t the international banking system.
BTW’ers more the world of x86_64 only cutting edge gamestation/workstation that could snap at any moment and is heavily populated by people using linux as a daily driver workstation that want to ‘rice’, need high steam fps and are often rather evangelical about the idea of ‘choice’ on a distro that offers almost none of it. Not the ‘How to install Steam on Kali’ peeps, but not far off.
How does Arch offer almost no choice? Compared to what? LFS? Gentoo? Let them “rice” and optimize for gaming workloads, why ist that so offensive? You’re essentially complaining about noobs and children and unless they’re doing something really stupid, like Steam on Kali, or being obnoxious in the forums, there’s no real reason to get so upset. Linking every single topic back to the same imaginary societal conflict in the Linux world cannot be healthy. Again, this isn’t a new thing and you’re just trying to link it to other things you don’t like, whether or not there’s a connection.
I like x11. It works well, does a lot and has been battle hardened stable for a long time even if made of ancient arcane magic that’s never seen an llm.
I could try and change the alpine qemu-kvm’s running lqtx on my headless gentoo server so I can connect remotely via a more modern stack, but I can’t be arsed unless it goes on fire.
The future is uncertain and I’m keeping an eye. This kinda thing is interesting:
You know I thought this whole discussion was really about taste or ethical usage of software free from the influences of corporations, but then you hit me with a link to an insane persons blog where they vibe coded 100k lines of assembly with claude and apparently that’s “interesting” and knowing how you think by now it’s probably way better than something made by people who know how display technology works, the people who used to develop X.
made of ancient arcane magic that’s never seen an llm.
I have AntiX laptop & desktop, Gentoo & Debian boxen with Alpine kvm’s running x11 nicely. This is fine but I am keeping an eye on the ecosystem as the lines of code outside my x11 window are going faster than cmatrix at the moment.
An ‘insane person’ summoning up novel display servers that make them smile and ditching 4 million lines of x11 code is of interest to me. As is Rene Rebe talking about vibe coding his own kernel whilst vibe coding the linux kernel, peeps are playing supertuxkart on the hurd and Fabrice Bellard is working on LLM’s like an Elven smith.
Old hardware and software is coming back to life at a time when new hardware, that isn’t shit, is hard to come by. Man pages and neofetches are being read again and novel solutions are appearing as people demand all sorts of weird content from novel models not caring if people think them a witch.
At a time when the government here are trying to lock spyware into operating systems the possibility of being able to roll your own components alongside models that can understand and modify them, even if they are a bit shit and can’t run steam, is worth considering. If an insane pleb can do it on a current consumer model, the future is bright.
That’s a weird comparison for multiple reasons. For all the complexity of X, it sure isn’t turing complete. The examples you listed for the importance of X basically boiled down to digital signage, in which case it wouldn’t be the end of the world to “just port it”. It sure as shit ain’t the international banking system.
How does Arch offer almost no choice? Compared to what? LFS? Gentoo? Let them “rice” and optimize for gaming workloads, why ist that so offensive? You’re essentially complaining about noobs and children and unless they’re doing something really stupid, like Steam on Kali, or being obnoxious in the forums, there’s no real reason to get so upset. Linking every single topic back to the same imaginary societal conflict in the Linux world cannot be healthy. Again, this isn’t a new thing and you’re just trying to link it to other things you don’t like, whether or not there’s a connection.
I like x11. It works well, does a lot and has been battle hardened stable for a long time even if made of ancient arcane magic that’s never seen an llm.
I could try and change the alpine qemu-kvm’s running lqtx on my headless gentoo server so I can connect remotely via a more modern stack, but I can’t be arsed unless it goes on fire.
The future is uncertain and I’m keeping an eye. This kinda thing is interesting:
https://isene.org/2026/07/Frame.html
If x11 is on life support until beyond 2030, that’s a lot of cpu cycles between now and EOL for x11.
You know I thought this whole discussion was really about taste or ethical usage of software free from the influences of corporations, but then you hit me with a link to an insane persons blog where they vibe coded 100k lines of assembly with claude and apparently that’s “interesting” and knowing how you think by now it’s probably way better than something made by people who know how display technology works, the people who used to develop X.
Well, not anymore apparently, lol.
It is about that.
I have AntiX laptop & desktop, Gentoo & Debian boxen with Alpine kvm’s running x11 nicely. This is fine but I am keeping an eye on the ecosystem as the lines of code outside my x11 window are going faster than cmatrix at the moment.
An ‘insane person’ summoning up novel display servers that make them smile and ditching 4 million lines of x11 code is of interest to me. As is Rene Rebe talking about vibe coding his own kernel whilst vibe coding the linux kernel, peeps are playing supertuxkart on the hurd and Fabrice Bellard is working on LLM’s like an Elven smith.
Old hardware and software is coming back to life at a time when new hardware, that isn’t shit, is hard to come by. Man pages and neofetches are being read again and novel solutions are appearing as people demand all sorts of weird content from novel models not caring if people think them a witch.
At a time when the government here are trying to lock spyware into operating systems the possibility of being able to roll your own components alongside models that can understand and modify them, even if they are a bit shit and can’t run steam, is worth considering. If an insane pleb can do it on a current consumer model, the future is bright.