Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky vowed on Tuesday that Ukraine would escalate its drone attacks inside Russia and warned that "safe days" are over for civilian aircraft in Russian airspace. "Today, we want to warn every airline that uses Russian airspace, every insurer, and everyone who still
There is no justification for attacking on civilians.
In the linked article no one suggests attacks on civilians. Rather it reads as a way to avoid unnecessary casulties.
What a clickbait headline.
Sure but that’s a threat and a weak cover. The logistics of covering Russian airspace with so many drones that a civilian aircraft would just happen into one is ridiculous. This is an incredibly common tactic.
Yeah this is what he actually said…
bro, you gotta learn to read imperialese. this is imperial speak to say we’re going to kill civilians. didn’t you learn form the “enhanced interrogation” scandal from the gringo fascist empire?
It’s actually closer to Irans playbook, making the Strait unnavigable. Notice that he explicitly called out insurers in the speech. He wants to exercise political control over the Russian airspace and he’s using drones to do it. “Too risky to travel” means no travel. That’s not killing civilians.
It should also be completely fair to say, “hey… this is an active war zone. You probably shouldn’t fly here.” At a certain point, the risk is something that the airliner chose to accept. It’s not that Ukraine would target them. It’s that you’re in a fucking war zone, know the risks. Be glad you even got a warning for what should be common sense.
The sky above all of Russia is a bit different to a narrow (relatively) strait of water.
Sure, but why at all mention insurers then?
I’m not saying approach is effective, Just that it seems like that would be the approach. Why else would he assume insurers give a shit?
If you can’t get the cargo and plane insured for the trip, aren’t you going to factor in the increased risk profile before you take off?
That dynamic seems familiar, doesn’t it? Again, the strait.
How do “russian airspace will become completely unsafe” und “do not threaten civilian aviation” together?
War is dangerous. Ukraine has been attacked and is fighting back. They’re warning people that the area they are fighting in is dangerous and they don’t want anyone to get hurt.
Do you assume Ukraine should prioritize commercial airline safety over their own sovereignty and their own commercial airlines, which have consistently been in danger for years?
There is not a safe way to conduct war. I’m sure Zelensky would prefer to stop the fighting, but that option currently means the death of Ukraine entirely.
Civilian Aircraft wont be deliberately targeted, but there will be so many munitions flying arround unnanounced they would be wise to re-route
soooooooooo, i didn’t punch you, your face intercepted my fist kind of mental gymnastics?
Gotta be honest if you’re dumb enough to walk straight through the middle of an active fistfight and happen to get punched in the face, that’s your fault.
Are you trying to double-down on the Zionist rhetoric? Genuine question, this is the same thing Israelis say about Palestinians.
you’re kinda victim blaming civilians being terrorized in a warzone
Normal civilians don’t get on planes and then fly those planes into warzones.
glad to know i can punch you and it will be your fault, will do if i have the chance
Hey look, another tankie removing all context for the purposes of justifying violence. How original!
Well that’s just an outright and blatant lie.
But .ml needs to hate Ukraine, what are the supposed to do, listen to facts?
listening to facts are the reason why anyone who reads will understand why ukraine is in the wrong.
the american congress banned weapons going to ukraine back in 2018 because of its neo nazi proclivities; how are you almost a decade slower than congress?!!!
Because you’ve got no evidence, because you’re a lying sack of shit and you know it
you’re right, it’s not evidence – it’s literally proof in writing in congress’ records for the public to see for themselves.
this is a fact but you chose to ignore it and continue believing whatever wikipedia, fox news, npr, cbc, abc, bbc, le monde, der speigel tell you to believe no matter how easily disprovably false it is – you’re just another maga but w bigger echo chamber and an intercontinental reach serving the us empire w/o realizing it.
do the world a favor and wake tf up!
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It’s almost like they are the ones who hate/ignore facts. Or more honestly just wanting to troll and stir up drama since that’s the majority of their comments
Because you’ve got no evidence, because you’re a lying sack of shit and you know it
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Are you serious?
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You’re losing and you know it.
Russia does…
That’s not justification for killing more civilians that’s psychotic.
If airlines care about not losing planes and people they will stop flying over Russia so it would have the ideal result of shutting down flights there. Ethically it’s a bit fucked but it’s likely an effective way to apply more pressure. And it’s not like Russia can’t just stop all of this.
If airlines cared about stopping fascism in the USA they would stop flying and not rename all the lakes or the gulf on their maps. Guess what capitalist businesses only care about one thing.
I was talking more about them being concerned about possibly losing their property and thus profits, not that they had any moral compass. I’m not sure what the US has to do with it though, these companies are owned by people from all sorts of countries.
Airlines are a big part of getting the names changed of all the lakes etc. They changed the maps on all their planes etc. They could have easily just threatened to boycott not fly in the USA and Trump would have stood down but they couldn’t stand losing any profits.
Russia tried to prevent the war with the Minsk agreements. Angela Merkel admitted that it was a ruse to arm Ukraine. What is Russia supposed to do now? It was fooled plenty of times already.
I need you to understand the line you are choosing to cross here. You are now openly, in front of everybody, shrugging and vaguely justifying open mass terror against civilians.
No you’re right, I think I was speaking partly out of exhaustion from this whole mess, I’d rather they just stopped.
Well, that includes Russians.
Yes it does. It includes both Russian civilians and Ukrainian civilians
No idea why I’ve been downvoted. Deliberately killing any civilians is a war crime. End of point.
Because your original comment says “well Russia does it …” kindof seems like you’re implying an “eye for an eye” situation is just here. If your comment was focusing on Russian civilian death, too, it doesn’t really seem like it, kinda more like you’re trying to act like Russia kills way more Ukrainian civilians and that makes it ok that Ukraine can kill Russian civilians, because “well Russia does it too …”
If that wasn’t your intention then I apologize but you must see how it comes off that way.
I guess I’ve been misundestood. English does that to me time to time. What I meant is, there is no justification for attacking on civilians no matter which side you are on, that includes Russian civilians. Definitely didn’t want to mean eye for an eye. That’s terrible.
Thanks for the heads up.
Well hey, your English has me convinced! I’d much rather give tips on English than explain why killing civilians, no matter who, is bad 😅 rock on friend !
Of course, having arguments over this shouldn’t happen in the first place but sadly it happens, so I understand and appreciate your concern. Cheers!