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Nice, keep it coming Iran
The people who die in war are never the people who deserve to die in war.
When the rich wage war, it’s the poor who die.
I wish death upon the “poor” soldiers of america who keep murdering children.
They also hit a radar and two blackhawks with drones. And the best part part is, the radar taken out was a short range radar that was supposed to be used to track drones.
And you can see the bases are now completely abandoned too with the drones flying through them uncontested.
It feels like Iran is exposing the traditional US military as a bit of a paper tiger unless you count nukes. I’m sure I’m at least kinda wrong, but that’s the vibe I’m getting
The US military is shit, always was, always knew.
Only difference is they can’t hide it in this case.This is the first time the US actually tried to fight a technologically advanced army since WW2, and the results are frankly embarrassing.
So we’re forgetting about Iraq then?
Iraq had mostly 70s tech, and the US did manage to break their army initially and topple the government. It was a disaster in strategic terms, but Iraqi regular army was no match for the US. This time around, Iran actually appears to have the upper hand. They’ve pushed out the US out of their bases across the region, destroyed billions if not trillions in the infrastructure that the US built up over many decades, and they’re eliminating American air power which was thought to be untouchable. This is truly unprecedented.
Your description of the differences between Iraq and Iran is good, as well as your explanation of the current situation.
However, it would change significantly if the U.S. decided to stop half-assing it. If the douchebags running the show decide they want to commit to a full-scale invasion with all available assets, I think you’d see a situation more similar to Iraq. We could absolutely roll Iran’s formal military if we committed to it.
But the subsequent occupation and attempt to maintain control would be doomed to the same failures as Iraq, Afghanistan, and all those before it, but on an even larger scale. All forward progress would stop once the Iranian military’s command and control falls. There’s no way we could win the asymmetric warfare that would follow, and I’m not at all saying we should even try. It’s all a pointless pile of shit that never should have been started.
That’s frankly delusional. Iran is a country of 90 million people. The US does not have the resources to, as you say, roll them. In fact, it’s pretty clear that US army isn’t even prepared for the realities of modern warfare like drones.
Unfortunately all it would take is a fast deployment tactic dedicating everything the US has. It comes down to raw numbers of immediately available manpower, aircraft, and munitions. The US has a stupid amount of these things at the ready.
It would be bloody and brutal and not certain, but I’d say the US would have a decent chance of overrunning the country.
Now this will only topple the government, then you get into a whole Afghanistan situation again. So I suppose it depends on what the definition of victory is. Could the US defeat Iran and occupy it? I think it’s likely, but the second they leave a new government that hates the US (rightfully) forms. Could they occupy indefinitely? Probably at a steep cost.
So I see a path for the US to overwhelm the Iranian military, but no real way for them to ever establish control of the region. I wouldn’t call that a win for the US for sure
The US is not configured to deploy everything it has in one theatre. This is not a realistic scenario. You’ve clearly have never dealt with real world logistics in your life, if you think that’s even remotely possible. And even if this fantastical feat of creating supply chains to the region for sustained war was possible, there’s very little chance of the US overrunning anything. You only have to look at a map to realize that Iran is a very mountainous country that would be a nightmare to fight in.
Finally, the US army is configured for legacy 20th century warfare. NATO as a whole is entirely unprepared for what modern war looks like. This is part of the reason the US is already getting its ass kicked by Iran, not being able to establish air dominance which is the core part of NATO fighting doctrine.
here’s how NATO fared in recent exercises with Ukrainian veterans https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAg4qBaFvjI
and here’s how well US army is prepared to deal with drones https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETeA07YjnSM
A population of 90 million people is irrelevant to the question of military capability. It is absolutely relevant to a discussion about the insurgency and guerilla warfare that would inevitably follow the conventional war, but I think you and I already agree that there’s no way for the U.S. to win that (nor should we try).
But I don’t think the bits of relatively small damage Iran has done to U.S. forces in the region is convincing evidence that they’re capable of taking on the full brunt of U.S. capabilities, even without going nuclear. Launch enough drones and missiles and a few will inevitably get through. But we’ve also been using our own drones for more than 20 years now, longer than most other countries. Most importantly though, we have significantly more resources poured into everything that would follow the drones in a full-scale invasion.
And just to reiterate: I don’t think any of this is a good idea, and I don’t support any of it. But when you’re talking about the significance of damage and casualties caused by Iran, you can’t ignore the fact that the U.S. is holding back so far.
I don’t see any evidence to suggest that Tue US has superior military capability to Iran.
The Iranians are not well advsnced, not at all. No offense, it is a whole thing.
They’re one of a handful of nations that are able to put a satellite in orbit and they have hypersonic weapons that burgerland is still isn’t able to procedure, but do go on.
Don’t forget, we’re supposedly bombing them because they are on the brink of nuclear capability. That’s pretty advanced.
So advanced the Americans did it in the 40s
And the north Koreans beat them to it
Of course NK got it first, nobody was bombing their facilities at at regular intervals. You can make faster progress when you don’t have to rebuild your entire program, including replacing all your dead scientists, every few years.
And so we did it in the 4Os, so what? Nuclear weaponry is still considered among the highest tech, and extremely dangerous, which is exactly why they wanted to bomb it.
They also have cool enough drone tech that they regularly get past Israel’s impenetrable Iron Dome defense.
It kind of defeats your argument that they are technologically weak, when we are bombing them because we fear their technological strength.
Underestimating your opponent is one of the most classic moron military moves, and one America enthusiastically engages in, which is why we’ve lost most of the wars we’ve fought since WW2. When you don’t take your enemy seriously, you don’t fight them hard enough offensively or defensively, and you eventually lose.
It isn’t about the size of the dog, it is the fight in it. The Iranian chihuahua has a death grip on the neck of the American doberman.
I wouldn’t exactly call a country of 90 million a chihuahua.
Significant strike. Each one of these that bite the dust means 5-10 less planes raining bombs on Tehran. Iran has excellent targeting prioritization, much better than going after schoolchildren.
You can really tell they’ve planned this out. They took out all the early warning systems in the first days, and now they’re hunting these high value targets.
Russia is also coaching them and providing live target info.
they do have a lot of experience with US tactics over the past for years they can pass on
And LOL at the western hypocrites crying about it.
They can train, arm, fund and send ‘advisors’ to the ukro’s but Russia giving some satellite info is bad.Eh. I can oppose both Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the US/Israel war on Iran. It’s not about which team you’re on. It’s about backing the country being invaded and attacked.
Many people can, but apparently politicians and their media mouthpieces dogmatically defend their US masters.
They never cared about international law or right and wrong. It was always just a tool to bludgeon the other team with, and now that the tool is turning against them they’re dropping it like a broken toy.
Many people still believed their BS about ‘the rules based order’.
I know it’s a lie but still was shocked to hear some EU ‘leaders’ blatantly say international law doesn’t apply to Iran.
After condoning the genocide in Gaza they now defend the illegal war and mass murder of children in Iran.
How can these loathsome turds look in the mirror.
China will be capturing a lot of this data.
The odds are that they provided the intel; since it’s thanks to Chinese satellites that we visually can confirm the hits. American companies have blacked out all sat pictures coming out of the middle East and Israel. Something, something about freedom of information.
Americans die for zionists
Americans have wanted to invade Iran going back to the Reagan administration. Trump’s just so zooted up on his own supply that he thought he could make it happen.
That’s okay, though. We’re going to invade Cuba next. We can stop blaming Zionists and point the finger squarely at Florida Billionaires going forward.
With a fleet of around 14,500 aircraft and substantial ongoing investment, five grounded aircraft doesn’t seem particularly noteworthy.
Curious why this is being highlighted as major news.
There are around 800 C-135 in existence, not all of them are operational, and not all can be deployed in the region. It’s a major news because the US is losing assets worth billions of dollars on daily basis, and is unable to protect its based and airfields where Iran now operates with impunity.
Ty for the reply. Two points I’m struggling with:
First, one-eighth of a percent isn’t statistically meaningful. This is a top-priority combat theatre and aircraft are still flying. Any C-135 that can fly can get there, the sky is largely open to the usa.
Second, the claim that the U.S. is losing significant assets feels like a stretch, especially given the first point. Can you share sources to support that?
First, one-eighth of a percent isn’t statistically meaningful.
fuck i hate these misaproppiations of technical terms. “Really small number” is not the same as “statistically meaningless”, go to a police station with one-eigth percent blood alcohol content, tell them you’re gonna go drive know and see if they think it isn’t “statistically meaningful”
I get your distinction, but you’re mixing contexts. A small percentage in a system isn’t the same as BAC in a human body. Let’s keep it apples to apples.
And hey, don’t let that hate eat you up, this back and forth is essentially meaningless leisure. it’s not that deep.
BAC in a human body is a small percentage in a system though? So by your definition it is apples to apples.
You’re speaking of 0.125% of all those types of aircraft, including the non-operational ones or the ones in operation elsewhere. Even if there were still 500 aircraft available how many are in the region on standby to be deployed immediately to continue operations unimpeded? You don’t need to destroy all of them to degrade operations to a point where its no longer viable, only a sufficient amount. That’s why 0.125% BAC is already a pretty high amount. It degrades operations to a sufficient degree, rendering one incapable of operation machinery for instance.
this back and forth is essentially meaningless leisure
and fuck do I hate people that treat news and war like some tv-show episode or sportsgame. These are real people dying by the terror attacks from the judeochristian fundamentalists. It’s not meaningless and the fact that you debate it “for leisure” is frankly revolting.
The real meaninglessness is this back and forth. I am not changing your mind, just giving your anger something to focus on.
I am stepping away from it, but I will leave you with this: if someone can make you angry, they can control you. Anger may feel powerful, but it takes your power and leaves you carrying it alone. Take care.
This is one of the least mature ways to leave an argument
try being all tranquil when bombs are dropping over your home all the time fuckass
dumb fucking enlightened redditor
if someone can make you angry, they can control you. Anger may feel powerful, but it takes your power and leaves you carrying it alone. Take care.
and buddy do I fucking hate it when people think that emotions are to be shunned and think some platitudes about tranquility are deep. There are no bad emotions only bad ways to deal with them. There is a reason people get angry in the face of injustice, embracing that anger gives one the motivation to act in an altruistic manner. It allows us to put the immediate and visible rewards for us aside and put oneself in harms way for the benefits of others.
The people that think that emotionless debate is the highest form of reason have not understood what debating others is for.
because the users here are desperate to feel like Iran is some genius amazing military force and the USA is incompetent and pathetic.
hence the lie in the headline and the commentary further exaggerating what actually happened. it’s pure delusion, but you are on lemmy.ml which is full of pro-authoritarian, anti-democractic folk.
“Repairing” major aircraft isn’t like fixing a dent on a sedan. A single nick in a critical zone triggers full disassembly, part-by-part inspection, and replacement. Five KC-135s took direct hits from explosives. That they aren’t “dust” is irrelevant. Structural integrity is compromised. Return to service means months or more of labor, scarce parts, and diverted maintenance capacity as they are fully dismantled, inspected and then possibly repaired.
Then there’s the cost exchange. Iranian ballistic missiles run roughly $1-2 million to produce. A KC-135 is ~$80 million adjusted for inflation. Five tankers is ~$400 million in assets, not counting wasted crew training during operational downtime and the repair costs. When one side trades cheap, mass-produced munitions for high-value, hard-to-replace platforms, that’s clearly valuable.
And let’s be real about US “competence.” They lost a $1.1 billion radar to a Shahed drone. A Black Hawk and an advanced anti-drone radar taken out by FPV strikes. The Strait closed while they scrambled. An F-35 forced back for repairs after taking a hit from an old IR-tube missile. This campaign has been a comedy of errors.
Iran isn’t full of military geniuses. But they’re showing clear competency: splitting command into cells to blunt decapitation strikes, prioritizing radar and C4ISR first, then shifting to high-value enablers like tankers. They understand the material conditions. The US is learning, expensively once again, that overwhelming cost and complexity is a vulnerability.
Also authoritarian is meaningless pejorative.
and your ‘argument’ is is meaningless grandstanding for Iran, totally ignoring the 100s of assets and their value that were destroyed. Iran effectively has no air force or navy anymore.
Iran was running soviet hand me downs and equivalents, their air force and navy were never core to their military strategy. Drones, missiles etc are the core and it’s clearly working.
The fact is that the US spends nearly a trillion a year on its military (more than the next 10 countries combined) and built it’s image on being “THE” military superpower yet they are having their toys destroyed in massive cost loss conversions.
Why do you feel the need to lick US boots beyond being deeply chauvinist internally. The US clearly has no real goal in this war, it’s shifted from nebulous “regime change” (which worked out so well every other time) to opening the straight that was already open before this idiotic war.
Why is it so hard for you to admit that this is an idiotic war, a comedy of errors pushed forward by an inflated military budget and a false sense of invincibility. They have lost/spent roughly $61billion already increasing around $1billion a day, and what do they have to show for it? Destroying an air force and navy that wasn’t worth anything already? An Iranian populace now more radicalised than ever against them? An energy crisis threatening to topple the petrodollar?
You really should come down to reality sometimes if you manage to remove your tongue from the US’s sphincter. Iran could still absolutely be toppled but to act like to this point it hasn’t been a serious contender for fractions of a cent on the dollar spent, or that the US hasn’t been bumbling it’s way through losing well over a billion in advanced weapons platforms is ridiculous and completely detached from reality.
Ah the “assets and value” of 153 schoolchildren. Wow much strategy, waste weapons you can’t resupply on civilians.
It will be really funny years from now after the full extent of the damage is widely acknowledged, I wonder what you will be saying then. Material reality doesn’t care about your chauvinism.
Yeah, and tomorrow the entire usa will just spontaneously combust. Yourself included.
I’m not in or from the US, I’m from one of the many Latin American countries where we had a US backed dictatorship disappearing random people, including my grandpa’s friends, so fuck you
I’m seeing tankis and wankies fighting each other. And I love it.
Tell em’ how much you’re “winning”, your health insurance isn’t going to pay itself.
