• dan1101@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    Yes, the sad reality is if you are being continually attacked by a neighboring country and are sending thousands of munitions into their country to try and make them stop, some innocent people will get killed

    Russia purposely kills civilians. Ukraine seems to be trying to avoid killing civilians. Russia keeps attacking. They can stop attacking and make all this stop.

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      4 days ago

      Russia purposely kills civilians.

      If Russia did that youd see a similar strikes as the IOF and US forces did in Iran or the IOF doing in Gaza. Not saying Russia isnt killing civilians, but to say it’s on purpose reeks of Ukrainian propaganda.

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      3 days ago

      Ukraine seems to be trying to avoid killing civilians

      They seem to be very bad at it considering they killed 14,000 of their own over eight years in the Donbas Republics, and that was before there was even an officical war on

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        3 days ago

        So the 14,000 number is straight from RT, and the number is the total number of casualties, military and civilian, caused by both sides during the 8 years of the WAR in the Donbas. So no, Ukraine did not kill 14,000 of it’s own civilians. And there would be zero casualties if the Russians hadn’t funded and supported separatists and then annexed Ukrainian territory.

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          “It’s not true but also it’s Russias fault for not just sitting back and doing nothing while ethnic Russians are slaughtered by Nazis on their border.”

          The lengths you people will go to DARVO an ethnic cleansing campaign by actual, seig heil-ass Nazis would have been shocking to me a few years ago, before I saw you all actively support another Holocaust.

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            3 days ago

            Yes, your numbers are not true. 14,000 ethnic Russians were not slaughter by Ukraine. 14,000 russian soldiers, separatist soldiers, Ukrainian soldiers, ethnic Ukrainian civilians, and ethnic Russian civilians were killed in total by both sides. That means Russia was also killing ethnic Russians in that total.

            And the second part also holds true. Zero casualties if not for Russia invading. They are completely separate points from each other. But you know that, you’re just disengenuous

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                2 days ago

                I agree.

                While there’s definitely a nazi population in Ukraine, there’s also a significant one in Russia too. As well as a number of other countries, mine included. Is the solution military invasion of the US, Canada, Poland, Germany, Russia, the UK, etc… etc…? And if not those countries why is Ukraine singled out for special treatment?

                And before you say “these other countries weren’t slaughtering their own people” neither were nazis in Ukraine. My guess is your justification is another debunked RT talking point.

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                  definitely a nazi population in Ukraine

                  Yeah and this specific nazi population runs the government. And while I appreciate that we agree on there being nazis, the mainstream narrative until it became undeniable was that this is a Russian lie, one of many inconsistencies in western media coverage that makes me go hmmm.

                  Is the solution military invasion of the US, Canada, Poland, Germany, Russia, the UK, etc… etc…?

                  If an internal proletarian revolution proves unviable then yes, outside force might be required. Capitalist countries need to be liberated and deradicalized for the safety of all mankind.

                  And if not those countries why is Ukraine singled out for special treatment?

                  I apply the same standards to those other countries so this part doesnt apply. Nobody “gets” to be fascist, fascists just do fascist shit and the world either stops them or doesn’t. Laws and norms are polite fictions and the bare fact of it is that everyone alive “gets” to do whatever nobody else stops them from doing.

                  And before you say “these other countries weren’t slaughtering their own people”

                  They are. They constantly are. They slaughter 114,000 of us every year just with forced medical neglct alone. Poverty, hunger, the commodification of medical care, crushing debt, endless wars, pollution, climate destruction, social atomization, mass surveilance, mass incarceration, austerity, privatization, militarized police brutality, all of these things are forms of mass violence knowingly perpetrated on us by the small class of rich pedophiles who decided back in 2014 to hijack Ukraine and try to crack open Russia with it, and now they’re building camps for us too.

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                    You failed to mention one thing. Russia is a fascist dictatorship. Yet you’re pro Russia invading Ukraine.

                    That’s how I know you’re a brainwashed shill.

                    And I’m not addressing the rest of your gish gallop.