This has actually been a really good discussion on both sides as I think many including myself didn’t know about some of the inner workings of them. I’m glad the discussion happened. The trap article IS worth a read, it’s overly long but is really well written. After reading enough about both sides though I don’t think I’m too worried and will continue using them.
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Honestly the original post arguing against them makes very valid points that I wasn’t expecting to read to the end, even if they probably lost 90%+ of readers with the length that could have been cut down.
Speaking as a GrapheneOS and Linux user, the possibility of remote attestation to stop me from doing so is a legitimately shitty thought.
Been quite a fan of the convenience though as I just hate having to keep my phone on me all the time. So I’m torn, but will continue using them at least until a whiff of big tech buffoonery comes around.
Edit: Ricky’s arguments seem sound but I think you can also tack on “for now” to all of them. They also work for Apple so worth mentioning that potential conflict of interest/bias. I’d be curious of GrapheneOS’s take.
Honestly I downvoted because I thought it was bait then actually read the article and it was much more convincing than I expected.
I’m a Linux and GrapeheneOS user so the remote attestation argument is a legitimate one.
Been a big fan of them though, so this does suck.
Proton is legit.
Don’t confuse privacy and anonymity.


Marketplace is your friend. 7th gen intel computers can be found for cheap because Windows doesn’t support them anymore. Wipe the boot disk, install OMV and done. Now the hard part is of course hard disks. Still scour the used market but at least OMV will let you mismatch disk sizes with SnapRAID+MergerFS as long as you aren’t using ZFS and the parity drive is the same or bigger than the largest data drive.
For most people you don’t need to go extremely huge.
Then just set a nightly rsync.