Again, yeah, they will obey Swiss law, exactly what it says in their marketing material. Shocker.

I’m curious to know if you really believe that there are companies out there that would break the law in order to protect their users, and if so, which ones.

I like Proton, but that seems to be controversial these days.

Oh no, Proton PR is pro Bernie Sanders?

You can’t say Proton is legally mandated to violate privacy while pushing a Proton-backed page that says

I can absolutely say that. Because as much as a trumper you think the CEO is, Proton wouldn’t collaborate with the DOJ under such scenario unless they wanted to be screwed in the courts of the country they operate from. But if they receive a lawful requirement that, under Swiss law, needs to be fulfilled, then they must.

You believe that Switzerland is some sort of haven where international law doesn’t apply. That’s not true. You believe that Swiss law only applies in one direction, i.e. individual privacy protection, but not in any other, i.e. lawful data sharing requests from law enforcement. Then the issue is what you chose to believe. Here’s the thing: any company offering a service must comply with the laws of the country they are based on. And if you think that there are commercial mail providers that would rather cease operations before handing data to law enforcement, oh boy do I have news for you.

At the time it was true, corporate dems were way more likely to be in bed with big tech. That’s just a fact.

The “it doesn’t matter” part of the blog post is also dangerously inaccurate, implying any privacy violation in Switzerland is illegal while, in reality, Swiss authorities have gotten Proton to disclose user data several times in high-profile incidents. Here’s the biggest one in my mind. And another and another.

Ah, I remember you now. You’re the guy who thinks that privacy equals absolute immunity from court orders! That’s never the case and will never be.

I suppose we read different things, because what they said is that republicans aren’t “friendly with big tech” and that’s a good thing. There are other blog posts where they explain their position in detail, like https://proton.me/blog/trump-control-nsa-privacy

I’m familiar with this link though.

Yours doesn’t load for me.

You may be familiar, but you refuse to argue on its merits and sources, of which there are plenty.

And by the way, if we were to talk astroturfing, there are a handful of accounts in this community that consistently post negative comments about Proton. I’m not saying this is an orchestrated attack against them, but it’s really damn suspicious that in every topic tangential to privacy or VPNs, there’s always someone mentioning how awful Proton is.

The CEO didn’t support Trump: https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e

I think you misunderstood. I don’t believe calling LLMs “stochastic parrots” is accurate, but I think that dismissing them as such puts them at the same level as astrology, in the sense that both would be useless in order to predict an outcome based purely on their inputs.

In other words, I do think that LLMs have some value to them, even when issues like “hallucinations” will never be resolved.

On the other hand, I don’t think astrology is valuable at all. There hasn’t been a single accurate prediction made by astrologers that could be replicated within the same conditions at a different time. Descriptions of phenomena in astrology are also deliberately vague, so they could be “massaged” to fit the outcomes. Astrology is, at its core and necessarily, post hoc, so suggesting that it is a misunderstood discipline based on actual science is just naive.

You don’t have to accept its interpretive claims

What’s the value, then? It sounds like its results are correlations between loosely interpreted measurements, i.e. two identical sets of observations may correlate to different events, depending on subjective post hoc interpretations.

Is that what you mean when you compared this to AI? Because LLMs are stochastic parrots?

Please tell me more about astrology as a millenary discipline.

AI is like astrology

Please keep going.