Oofnik

If something happens to a man of course it’s a big deal…“systematic” is about a broader social pattern, not about how big of a deal one particular occurrence is…my rape was as big of a deal as a woman being raped. That doesn’t make it systematic or not systematic.

You’ve got a lot of anger or something clouding how you’re reading my words. I corrected something you accused me of in my first comment and answered your questions about being raped or threatened.

I won’t comment more on this thread but I do genuinely hope you find some peace, man.

Everything you say is sensible. But we should be careful not to let the complexity of researching this issue play into the hands of the misogynists. (There’s actually a wikipedia page on this that has even more data than you tracked down - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape)

Nonetheless I think that there is a mismatch between what young men believe about the likelihood of being falsely accused and the reality, and this is perpetuated by people who want to influence young men. See, for example, here: https://www.thejournal.ie/drcc-survey-young-men-7177609-Sep2026/

I definitely see the class dynamic as well. Honestly, I don’t really have any critique of your comment. I think my starting point on the internet is to assume people complicating or doubting this kind of data are redpill/incel/manosphere influenced people, and so someone with a more nuanced take like yourself is really not who I was semi-ranting at.

(Sidenote - In my other comment I mentioned that I have been raped by a woman. I also think that’s connected to the patriarchy, perhaps ironically. My rapist, as I was actively saying “No, I don’t want to do this” said “You are hard, so I know you are lying”. So there’s definitely more work to be done with respect to women as well.)

Hi. I have been raped, yes. By a woman. I’m not sure how that’s relevant here. I have never had the threat of a false accusation used to coerce me into sex. Nor have I ever heard of it happening in the real world. If that happened to you, I am very sorry. But the fact is, my individual experience of being raped by a woman (and your - possibly hypothetical? experience of being threatened into sex), while awful and traumatizing and worthy of support and care, are not the systematic and institutionalized problem that the rape of women and femme-presenting people is. Nor does it really speak to the issue raised in the article or the issue I raised above.

I don’t know where you got the impression that I think men are inherently evil - in fact, that’s one of the things that I had to struggle against when I was an angry young man - the belief - that the manosphere and these types of folks implicitly endorse - that men cannot help themselves without sex, that we are wild animals and that women use this to exploit us with their harlot ways or whatever.

If you are a man - I promise you are not inherently evil. People are not inherently evil, and if anyone, feminist or not, made you feel that way, that was wrong. But your anger is misdirected. I promise.

I’m older than the men in this study, but I want to share my anecdotal experience as a contrast to the attitude of many in the comments, which I think are a superficial analysis of the situation. (This is assuming that the results are valid despite the small sample size. I don’t really know how to assess that.)

I can really relate to these feelings when I was a younger man. I think the article nearly separates fear of being accused (self-preservation) with fear of moral harm (care for one’s sexual partner). Because we live in a patriarchal society, men get the messages that women are false accusers or, equally harmful, that bad sex counts as rape according to “modern culture” or something.

Because I had people in my life willing to tolerate my younger self and teach me feminism, I know that false reports are virtually non-existent, that I shouldn’t be so fucking neurotic about sex because I always care about my partner and consent in or out of a sexual context, that small mistakes don’t make me a deviant monster, etc. But when I was 20? I heard the manosphere incel bullshit voices and the feminist voices, and I didn’t know what to believe - I was young and naive and sexually frustrated. Thank God I made it through that without falling to red or black pill culture.

But we as feminists need better PR that educates just as much as it (justifiably) shames.

As leftists we generally think that society-wide problems have society-wide causes and solutions. We need to reach young men instead of just rolling our eyes or calling them people who just hate their sexual partners.