Because businesses are the ones that pay the tariff, not customers of the business. Did the extra tariffs give some companies an excuse to raise prices? Definitely. Does that mean the customer deserves a refund? Definitely not.
Yes… buuuut they forward that cost to the consumers. The buisneses dont go:“Wops, we need to pay more for items, lets keep the prices the same for the consumers.” They increse the cost for the consumers.
I get what you mean, i think my point is more regarding who the sufferinf party is.
The customer is the end “sufferer”. So should have the repirations. This is a wierd metaphot but hear me out. Lets say someone tries to shoot me. I dodge it and someone behinds me gets shot. A judge ordera the shooter to pay for the medical bills. Would it be fair for me to get that money? Or should it go to the person who got shot? Yes maybe i deserve some compensation. But compleatly ignoring the person who got shot feels wrong no?
The person didn’t choose to get shot though, while you still chose to buy the product at the higher price. That’s the difference.
Why the price went up makes no difference to you as the customer.
I get that it sucks that prices went up because of an illegal tariff, but the customer didn’t pay the tariff so they’re not entitled to a refund. The tariff was paid before you bought the product, by the business. The best you can hope for is that prices will go down, but unfortunately that’s unlikely.
That would be fine and dandy if tariffs were only for frivolous purchases. Things you could do without. But they weren’t. We were FORCED to pay higher prices for thing we NEED due to companies raising the prices due to illegal Republican tariffs.
Correct me if im wrong. If businesses raise their prices to reduce the impact of tariffs on profits then the person actually paying the tariff (atleast to some extent) is the end customer, no? Is it not then only fair for the person who actually paid for this to be compensated appropriately when it is deemed unconstitutional?
To me it seems insane that the people who already tossed away the problem further down the chain is to be compensated at all when they are not the ones who have primarily suffered the effects of it. Even if they where first in line to deal with it.
And then the refunds come from public tax dollars. So the customer has paid the unconstitutional tariffs twice. It’s a blatant transfer of wealth upwards, no other way to really cut it
I did not specify where the money comes from. But you are correct in that scenario. However, it would not necessarily have to go that route. If a company pays the government for tariffs, then proceed to get that money back, that money should then be returned to the end-customer that in the meanwhile has paid more. I fall to see how this is paid by public tax money although I am also not american nor do I know the specifics of the US tax system.
Why on Earth would that not mean the customer deserves a refund? The entire cost of the tariffs has been placed on the customer. No business sold their imported goods at the same price after having paid the tariff fees, they all raised their prices.
Because the customer didn’t pay the tariff, the business did - unless of course the business flat out added a “tariff surcharge” or something of the like to the total that the customer can see.
Increasing the cost of an item by the amount of the tariff is not the same as making the customer directly pay the tariff. The business was charged the tariff. They were invoiced and they paid it. The customer didn’t. The customer just bought an item at shelf price.
So you’re saying businesses should now cut deep discounts for buyers, because the (already imported) products’ tariffs have been paid (AND the business is being refunded for it). Are they going to drop prices now? Are they acting upon market pressures or taking advantage/manipulating them?
If you think a wealth-class has to pay any mind to the invisible hand of the free market… I’ve got a nice ass bridge to sell ya, at a tarrif-free + ultra-discounted price!
I’m saying that the business is the one who was invoiced for the tariff. The customer wasn’t. The business increased the price to cover their extra cost, probably even added some extra profit on top as well, but that still doesn’t mean the customer actually paid the tariff. They didn’t. The tariff is paid on import, not sale.
Because that’s not how buying and selling products works. The business chose to increase the price due to increased costs. As you said , it was an increased cost to the business - so why would the customer get the refund?
Because businesses are the ones that pay the tariff, not customers of the business. Did the extra tariffs give some companies an excuse to raise prices? Definitely. Does that mean the customer deserves a refund? Definitely not.
Yes… buuuut they forward that cost to the consumers. The buisneses dont go:“Wops, we need to pay more for items, lets keep the prices the same for the consumers.” They increse the cost for the consumers.
Sure, but the customer isn’t paying the tariff. The customer is just paying more for a product. The business is paying the tariff.
It’s a “technically correct” thing, sure, but it’s why customers aren’t owed the refund. Businesses can increase prices whenever they want.
I get what you mean, i think my point is more regarding who the sufferinf party is.
The customer is the end “sufferer”. So should have the repirations. This is a wierd metaphot but hear me out. Lets say someone tries to shoot me. I dodge it and someone behinds me gets shot. A judge ordera the shooter to pay for the medical bills. Would it be fair for me to get that money? Or should it go to the person who got shot? Yes maybe i deserve some compensation. But compleatly ignoring the person who got shot feels wrong no?
The person didn’t choose to get shot though, while you still chose to buy the product at the higher price. That’s the difference.
Why the price went up makes no difference to you as the customer.
I get that it sucks that prices went up because of an illegal tariff, but the customer didn’t pay the tariff so they’re not entitled to a refund. The tariff was paid before you bought the product, by the business. The best you can hope for is that prices will go down, but unfortunately that’s unlikely.
That would be fine and dandy if tariffs were only for frivolous purchases. Things you could do without. But they weren’t. We were FORCED to pay higher prices for thing we NEED due to companies raising the prices due to illegal Republican tariffs.
We were robbed. Again. Period.
And anyone who was robbed deserves compensation.
You chose to pay it. That’s the opposite of being robbed.
Can’t choose to not pay for food or medicine, champ.
Correct me if im wrong. If businesses raise their prices to reduce the impact of tariffs on profits then the person actually paying the tariff (atleast to some extent) is the end customer, no? Is it not then only fair for the person who actually paid for this to be compensated appropriately when it is deemed unconstitutional?
To me it seems insane that the people who already tossed away the problem further down the chain is to be compensated at all when they are not the ones who have primarily suffered the effects of it. Even if they where first in line to deal with it.
And then the refunds come from public tax dollars. So the customer has paid the unconstitutional tariffs twice. It’s a blatant transfer of wealth upwards, no other way to really cut it
I did not specify where the money comes from. But you are correct in that scenario. However, it would not necessarily have to go that route. If a company pays the government for tariffs, then proceed to get that money back, that money should then be returned to the end-customer that in the meanwhile has paid more. I fall to see how this is paid by public tax money although I am also not american nor do I know the specifics of the US tax system.
Unless they specifically included a new tariff fee or charge, they’re just charging the price they think people will pay.
Business has to pay tariffs
Business raises price to offset tariffs
Customer pays increased price
Tariffs are deemed illegal
Business receives refunds for tariffs
Customer pays the refund via taxes
How is this anything but a transfer of wealth from citizens (the customers) to businesses?
I mean, simply buying anything from a business is a “transfer of wealth from citizens (the customers) to businesses”, isn’t it?
But you get something in return, which should be of equal value to you
It’s worth what you paid for it to you, otherwise you wouldn’t have bought it.
yes, and if you don’t like the exchange rate you don’t buy it.
Why on Earth would that not mean the customer deserves a refund? The entire cost of the tariffs has been placed on the customer. No business sold their imported goods at the same price after having paid the tariff fees, they all raised their prices.
Because the customer didn’t pay the tariff, the business did - unless of course the business flat out added a “tariff surcharge” or something of the like to the total that the customer can see.
Increasing the cost of an item by the amount of the tariff is not the same as making the customer directly pay the tariff. The business was charged the tariff. They were invoiced and they paid it. The customer didn’t. The customer just bought an item at shelf price.
You sweet summer child
So you’re saying businesses should now cut deep discounts for buyers, because the (already imported) products’ tariffs have been paid (AND the business is being refunded for it). Are they going to drop prices now? Are they acting upon market pressures or taking advantage/manipulating them?
If you think a wealth-class has to pay any mind to the invisible hand of the free market… I’ve got a nice ass bridge to sell ya, at a tarrif-free + ultra-discounted price!
You’re just making shit up.
I’m saying that the business is the one who was invoiced for the tariff. The customer wasn’t. The business increased the price to cover their extra cost, probably even added some extra profit on top as well, but that still doesn’t mean the customer actually paid the tariff. They didn’t. The tariff is paid on import, not sale.
So if the customer paid more to cover the cost, why are the businesses entitled to a refund… that will come from the taxpayers?
Because that’s not how buying and selling products works. The business chose to increase the price due to increased costs. As you said , it was an increased cost to the business - so why would the customer get the refund?
The tariff was paid on import, not on sale.